[Powderworks] Oils Tours
The Oilman
TheOilman@new.rr.com
Thu, 4 Apr 2002 00:48:30 -0600
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Well, a lot of the bands that I follow (if not all of them) that are not =
mainstream acts do it this way, they have little or no label support and =
book dates as they get them, instead of waiting til they basically have =
the entire tour set and then announcing shows get put on site when =
confirmed. This is not unusual. In fact most bands are this way now, =
aside from the Pearl Jam's, Creed's and high profile acts that have =
label support up the whazoo.
Just look at it this way, if you weren't online and seeing dates posted =
by Ticketbastard or Pollstar, you would not see these dates until you =
got some sort of mailing from the band OR some sort of promotion in a =
magazine or something. The internet has done away with this sort of =
system. When places post they confirmed a show yesterday and the band is =
waiting to hear on 20 cities the venue/ticket place may post that show =
while the band is waiting for more to come in before releasing tour =
info. This is why the band's own site usually takes a while before they =
even post dates, why post before you are sure. The St. Louis show gets =
cancelled, heck, the band never announced that show even exists on their =
site, modern technology has done away with business as usual. Tickets go =
on sale for stuff a lot farther in advance nowadays too. Heck the first =
Chicago date went a sale weeks ago, I already have my tickets but the =
show the very next night may not go on sale for a week or two yet, this =
sort of stuff is just gonna happen.
WE ALL SHOULD BE HAPPY WE ARE FINDING OUT ABOUT SHOWS AND GETTING =
TICKETS BEFORE SOME PEOPLE EVERY HEAR A RADIO STATION UTTER A SHOW! I =
missed the entire ESM tour since I wasn't online and didn't hear or see =
one promotion for a tour at all here in the states!!! Now that sucks =
worse than slow tour dates!!!
IMHO this will be the way most bands do things from now on save huge =
acts that can book a 30 city tour in one week since arenas are lining up =
to book the show in each city!=20
Everyone keep their eyes and ears (and browsers open) and keep us posted =
on new dates we find.
Oilman
----- Original Message -----=20
From: andrew pye=20
To: powderworks mail list=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:48 PM
Subject: [Powderworks] Fw: Oils Tours
I've noticed (along with many of you) that of late, the tours Midnight =
Oil have done have been pretty poorly promoted and organised (Real Thing =
excepted here in Oz). I don't know if they themselves are just flying by =
the seat of their pants (so to speak) and just announcing things as they =
are confirmed, or doing shows when they feel they want to, but I would =
have thought it would have been far more efficient (not to mention =
atmosphere building) to have the whole thing signed, sealed, and then an =
announcement made to deliver when a tour as a whole was finalised, not =
as each show was confirmed.
I know here in Oz it's probably not that important because their =
travelling distance etc is relatively small and they are afforded a =
greater level of flexibility (with all due respect to our friends in =
West Oz!). But certainly when planning a trip OS, I would have thought =
everything would have been organised and set to go well before they left =
home so as to conduct thing in a (dare I say it) more professional =
manner. It seems at the moment it is a slow trickle of dates that keep =
appearing with shows popping up everywhere at what seems like random =
convenience.
There could be a million reasons why this is the case but does anyone =
for sure know why this is? Even if from purely a marketing prospect, let =
alone all the other benefits, it would be preferable to have things more =
tightly packaged. It seems very amateur from a band which we all know to =
be a hell of a lot more professional than that. There must be some =
reasonable underlying reason. I suspect a lack of confidence by =
promoters, particularly overseas. Or, at the risk of flogging a dead =
horse, maybe they're working around possible golf rounds!!??
Does anyone know for sure??
I got an e-mail today from metrotix telling me that the show was =
cancelled. I am so disappointed!! I will still go to Chicago since I am =
halfway between those two cities, but what a letdown. I know information =
tends to be spotty because of using a couple of different ticketing =
systems, but it is so strange that we have to go to three or four =
different places to get the whole tour information. Or is this normal? =
Just curious.=20
Thanks and have a good day!=20
Peace,=20
Jennifer=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, a lot of the bands that I follow =
(if not all=20
of them) that are not mainstream acts do it this way, they have =
little or=20
no label support and book dates as they get them, instead of waiting til =
they=20
basically have the entire tour set and then announcing shows get put on =
site=20
when confirmed. This is not unusual. In fact most bands are this way =
now, aside=20
from the Pearl Jam's, Creed's and high profile acts that have label =
support up=20
the whazoo.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just look at it this way, if you =
weren't online and=20
seeing dates posted by Ticketbastard or Pollstar, you would not see =
these dates=20
until you got some sort of mailing from the band OR some sort of =
promotion in a=20
magazine or something. The internet has done away with this sort of =
system. When=20
places post they confirmed a show yesterday and the band is waiting to =
hear on=20
20 cities the venue/ticket place may post that show while the band is =
waiting=20
for more to come in before releasing tour info. This is why the band's =
own site=20
usually takes a while before they even post dates, why post before you =
are sure.=20
The St. Louis show gets cancelled, heck, the band never announced that =
show even=20
exists on their site, modern technology has done away with business as =
usual.=20
Tickets go on sale for stuff a lot farther in advance nowadays too. Heck =
the=20
first Chicago date went a sale weeks ago, I already have my tickets but =
the show=20
the very next night may not go on sale for a week or two yet, this sort =
of stuff=20
is just gonna happen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WE ALL SHOULD BE HAPPY WE ARE FINDING =
OUT ABOUT=20
SHOWS AND GETTING TICKETS BEFORE SOME PEOPLE EVERY HEAR A RADIO STATION =
UTTER A=20
SHOW! I missed the entire ESM tour since I wasn't online and didn't hear =
or see=20
one promotion for a tour at all here in the states!!! Now that sucks =
worse than=20
slow tour dates!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>IMHO this will be the way most bands do =
things from=20
now on save huge acts that can book a 30 city tour in one week since =
arenas are=20
lining up to book the show in each city! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Everyone keep their eyes and ears (and =
browsers=20
open) and keep us posted on new dates we find.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Oilman</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dapye@bigpond.com href=3D"mailto:apye@bigpond.com">andrew =
pye</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dpowderworks@cs.colorado.edu=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 03, 2002 =
11:48=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Powderworks] Fw: Oils =
Tours</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've noticed (along with many of you) =
that of=20
late, the tours Midnight Oil have done have been pretty poorly =
promoted and=20
o</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>rganised (Real Thing excepted here =
in Oz). I=20
don't know if they themselves are just flying by the seat of their =
pants (so=20
to speak) and just announcing things as they are confirmed, or =
doing=20
shows when they feel they want to, but I would have thought it would =
have been=20
far more efficient (not to mention atmosphere building) to have =
the whole=20
thing signed, sealed, and then an announcement made to deliver =
when a=20
tour as a whole was finalised, not as each show was =
confirmed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I know here in Oz it's probably not =
that=20
important because their travelling distance etc is relatively =
small and=20
they are afforded a greater level of flexibility (with all due respect =
to our=20
friends in West Oz!). But certainly when planning a trip OS, I would =
have=20
thought everything would have been organised and set to go well before =
they=20
left home so as to conduct thing in a (dare I say it) more =
professional=20
manner. It seems at the moment it is a slow trickle of dates that keep =
appearing with shows popping up everywhere at what seems like random=20
convenience.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There could be a million reasons why =
this is the=20
case but does anyone for sure know why this is? Even if from =
purely a=20
marketing prospect, let alone all the other benefits, it would be =
preferable=20
to have things more tightly packaged. It seems very amateur from a =
band which=20
we all know to be a hell of a lot more professional than that. There =
must be=20
some reasonable underlying reason. I suspect a lack of confidence by=20
promoters, particularly overseas. Or, a</FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>t the=20
risk of flogging a dead horse, maybe they're working =
around possible=20
golf rounds!!??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Does anyone know for =
sure??</FONT></DIV>
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT=20
face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>I got an e-mail today from =
metrotix=20
telling me that the show was cancelled. I am so disappointed!! I =
will still=20
go to Chicago since I am halfway between those two cities, but what =
a=20
letdown. I know information tends to be spotty because of using a =
couple of=20
different ticketing systems, but it is so strange that we have to go =
to=20
three or four different places to get the whole tour information. Or =
is this=20
normal? Just curious. <BR><BR>Thanks and have a good day! =
<BR><BR>Peace,=20
<BR>Jennifer</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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