[Powderworks] Oils Tours
andrew pye
apye@bigpond.com
Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:59:32 +1000
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Some good points Oilman! Didnt think of it in those terms!! I guess I'm =
used to the Oils being one of those bands that had support up the =
whazzoo!! (ie, 10-1 to Blue Sky/E&S&M era)!
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From: The Oilman=20
To: powderworks mail list=20
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Powderworks] Oils Tours
Well, a lot of the bands that I follow (if not all of them) that are =
not mainstream acts do it this way, they have little or no label support =
and book dates as they get them, instead of waiting til they basically =
have the entire tour set and then announcing shows get put on site when =
confirmed. This is not unusual. In fact most bands are this way now, =
aside from the Pearl Jam's, Creed's and high profile acts that have =
label support up the whazoo.
Just look at it this way, if you weren't online and seeing dates =
posted by Ticketbastard or Pollstar, you would not see these dates until =
you got some sort of mailing from the band OR some sort of promotion in =
a magazine or something. The internet has done away with this sort of =
system. When places post they confirmed a show yesterday and the band is =
waiting to hear on 20 cities the venue/ticket place may post that show =
while the band is waiting for more to come in before releasing tour =
info. This is why the band's own site usually takes a while before they =
even post dates, why post before you are sure. The St. Louis show gets =
cancelled, heck, the band never announced that show even exists on their =
site, modern technology has done away with business as usual. Tickets go =
on sale for stuff a lot farther in advance nowadays too. Heck the first =
Chicago date went a sale weeks ago, I already have my tickets but the =
show the very next night may not go on sale for a week or two yet, this =
sort of stuff is just gonna happen.
WE ALL SHOULD BE HAPPY WE ARE FINDING OUT ABOUT SHOWS AND GETTING =
TICKETS BEFORE SOME PEOPLE EVERY HEAR A RADIO STATION UTTER A SHOW! I =
missed the entire ESM tour since I wasn't online and didn't hear or see =
one promotion for a tour at all here in the states!!! Now that sucks =
worse than slow tour dates!!!
IMHO this will be the way most bands do things from now on save huge =
acts that can book a 30 city tour in one week since arenas are lining up =
to book the show in each city!=20
Everyone keep their eyes and ears (and browsers open) and keep us =
posted on new dates we find.
Oilman
----- Original Message -----=20
From: andrew pye=20
To: powderworks mail list=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:48 PM
Subject: [Powderworks] Fw: Oils Tours
I've noticed (along with many of you) that of late, the tours =
Midnight Oil have done have been pretty poorly promoted and organised =
(Real Thing excepted here in Oz). I don't know if they themselves are =
just flying by the seat of their pants (so to speak) and just announcing =
things as they are confirmed, or doing shows when they feel they want =
to, but I would have thought it would have been far more efficient (not =
to mention atmosphere building) to have the whole thing signed, sealed, =
and then an announcement made to deliver when a tour as a whole was =
finalised, not as each show was confirmed.
I know here in Oz it's probably not that important because their =
travelling distance etc is relatively small and they are afforded a =
greater level of flexibility (with all due respect to our friends in =
West Oz!). But certainly when planning a trip OS, I would have thought =
everything would have been organised and set to go well before they left =
home so as to conduct thing in a (dare I say it) more professional =
manner. It seems at the moment it is a slow trickle of dates that keep =
appearing with shows popping up everywhere at what seems like random =
convenience.
There could be a million reasons why this is the case but does =
anyone for sure know why this is? Even if from purely a marketing =
prospect, let alone all the other benefits, it would be preferable to =
have things more tightly packaged. It seems very amateur from a band =
which we all know to be a hell of a lot more professional than that. =
There must be some reasonable underlying reason. I suspect a lack of =
confidence by promoters, particularly overseas. Or, at the risk of =
flogging a dead horse, maybe they're working around possible golf =
rounds!!??
Does anyone know for sure??
I got an e-mail today from metrotix telling me that the show was =
cancelled. I am so disappointed!! I will still go to Chicago since I am =
halfway between those two cities, but what a letdown. I know information =
tends to be spotty because of using a couple of different ticketing =
systems, but it is so strange that we have to go to three or four =
different places to get the whole tour information. Or is this normal? =
Just curious.=20
Thanks and have a good day!=20
Peace,=20
Jennifer=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some good points Oilman! Didnt =
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those terms!! I guess I'm used to the Oils being one of those bands =
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had support up the whazzoo!! (ie, 10-1 to Blue Sky/E&S&M=20
era)!</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3DTheOilman@new.rr.com =
href=3D"mailto:TheOilman@new.rr.com">The=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 04, 2002 =
4:48=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Powderworks] Oils =
Tours</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, a lot of the bands that I =
follow (if not=20
all of them) that are not mainstream acts do it this way, they =
have=20
little or no label support and book dates as they get them, instead of =
waiting=20
til they basically have the entire tour set and then announcing shows =
get put=20
on site when confirmed. This is not unusual. In fact most bands are =
this way=20
now, aside from the Pearl Jam's, Creed's and high profile acts that =
have label=20
support up the whazoo.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just look at it this way, if you =
weren't online=20
and seeing dates posted by Ticketbastard or Pollstar, you would not =
see these=20
dates until you got some sort of mailing from the band OR some sort of =
promotion in a magazine or something. The internet has done away with =
this=20
sort of system. When places post they confirmed a show yesterday and =
the band=20
is waiting to hear on 20 cities the venue/ticket place may post that =
show=20
while the band is waiting for more to come in before releasing tour =
info. This=20
is why the band's own site usually takes a while before they even post =
dates,=20
why post before you are sure. The St. Louis show gets cancelled, heck, =
the=20
band never announced that show even exists on their site, modern =
technology=20
has done away with business as usual. Tickets go on sale for stuff a =
lot=20
farther in advance nowadays too. Heck the first Chicago date went a =
sale weeks=20
ago, I already have my tickets but the show the very next night may =
not go on=20
sale for a week or two yet, this sort of stuff is just gonna=20
happen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WE ALL SHOULD BE HAPPY WE ARE FINDING =
OUT ABOUT=20
SHOWS AND GETTING TICKETS BEFORE SOME PEOPLE EVERY HEAR A RADIO =
STATION UTTER=20
A SHOW! I missed the entire ESM tour since I wasn't online and didn't =
hear or=20
see one promotion for a tour at all here in the states!!! Now that =
sucks worse=20
than slow tour dates!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>IMHO this will be the way most bands =
do things=20
from now on save huge acts that can book a 30 city tour in one week =
since=20
arenas are lining up to book the show in each city! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Everyone keep their eyes and ears =
(and browsers=20
open) and keep us posted on new dates we find.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Oilman</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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<A title=3Dapye@bigpond.com href=3D"mailto:apye@bigpond.com">andrew =
pye</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dpowderworks@cs.colorado.edu=20
href=3D"mailto:powderworks@cs.colorado.edu">powderworks mail =
list</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 03, =
2002 11:48=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Powderworks] Fw: =
Oils=20
Tours</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've noticed (along with many of =
you) that of=20
late, the tours Midnight Oil have done have been pretty poorly =
promoted and=20
o</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>rganised (Real Thing excepted =
here in Oz). I=20
don't know if they themselves are just flying by the seat of their =
pants (so=20
to speak) and just announcing things as they are confirmed, or =
doing=20
shows when they feel they want to, but I would have thought it would =
have=20
been far more efficient (not to mention atmosphere building) to =
have=20
the whole thing signed, sealed, and then an announcement made =
to=20
deliver when a tour as a whole was finalised, not as each show was=20
confirmed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I know here in Oz it's probably not =
that=20
important because their travelling distance etc is relatively =
small and=20
they are afforded a greater level of flexibility (with all due =
respect to=20
our friends in West Oz!). But certainly when planning a trip OS, I =
would=20
have thought everything would have been organised and set to go well =
before=20
they left home so as to conduct thing in a (dare I say it) more =
professional manner. It seems at the moment it is a slow trickle of =
dates=20
that keep appearing with shows popping up everywhere at what seems =
like=20
random convenience.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There could be a million reasons =
why this is=20
the case but does anyone for sure know why this is? Even if =
from purely=20
a marketing prospect, let alone all the other benefits, it would be=20
preferable to have things more tightly packaged. It seems very =
amateur from=20
a band which we all know to be a hell of a lot more professional =
than that.=20
There must be some reasonable underlying reason. I suspect a lack of =
confidence by promoters, particularly overseas. Or, a</FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>t the risk of flogging a dead horse, maybe they're working=20
around possible golf rounds!!??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Does anyone know for =
sure??</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT=20
face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>I got an e-mail today from =
metrotix=20
telling me that the show was cancelled. I am so disappointed!! I =
will=20
still go to Chicago since I am halfway between those two cities, =
but what=20
a letdown. I know information tends to be spotty because of using =
a couple=20
of different ticketing systems, but it is so strange that we have =
to go to=20
three or four different places to get the whole tour information. =
Or is=20
this normal? Just curious. <BR><BR>Thanks and have a good day!=20
<BR><BR>Peace, <BR>Jennifer</FONT>=20
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