[Powderworks] Capricornia promos on ebay
Jeff Bond
Jeff Bond" <jeffbond@mindspring.com
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Gabe,
Thanks for thinking outside-of-the-box on this issue. =20
Anyone who's ever purchased used records or CD's (regardless of whether =
it's on eBay or your local second-hand shop) has come across promo =
issues like this. In fact, some of the best MO recordings are =
promo/demo releases. This list has often discussed MO's "Green Disc", =
which is listed as "Demonstration - Not For Sale", not to mention the =
"Blue Sky Mining Interview Disc" and "Best of the B-Sides". I'm still =
looking for a "Diesel and Dust Interview Disc". And let's not forget =
how these CD's get to the resale sites, anyway - - the folks who first =
received them - - the record shops, local rock critics, and radio =
stations - - who make their living off of the recorded music industry.
Sorry for the rant. Happy Valentines Day. Jeff
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gabriel Luci=20
To: Michael Devall ; powderworks@cs.colorado.edu=20
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Powderworks] Capricornia promos on ebay
How about giving them away?
--- Michael Devall <mdevall1@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> Just a reminder that in the United States
> promotional items such as
> promo CDs cannot be traded or sold legally. The
> same thing goes for bootleg
> items. It has to do with this thing called
> copyright infringement. I
> believe such actions are considered felony offenses
> under federal law, and
> penalties can be severe if you are caught which may
> include prison time and
> of course a criminal record. THIS IS NO JOKE.=20
> Always think first.
> As for music promotions, some BMG labels suck
> at promoting artists.
> CMC International Records, which is a lesser known
> label located here in the
> Raleigh-Durham area, is a prime example. They have
> such classic rock
> artists as Lynyrd Skynyrd, Styx, Tommy Shaw, Molly
> Hatchet, Ratt, Blue
> Oyster Cult, Nazareth and many other artists of such
> stature. The only new
> albums of these artists that I've known promoted by
> CMC International were
> "Twenty" by Lynyrd Skynyrd, "Heaven Forbid" by Blue
> Oyster Cult and "Seven
> Deadly Zens" by Tommy Shaw. Such albums like "The
> Silent Reign Of Heroes"
> by Molly Hatchet and "Brave New World" by Styx which
> I thought were pretty
> good were never really promoted. RCA Records and
> Arista Records, which are
> the largest record labels through BMG, usually do
> pretty good in music
> promotions. Our other record label here in the
> Raleigh-Durham area, Mammoth
> Records located in Carrboro, is also a very good
> promoter. They have our
> popular local band The Squirrel Nut Zippers, plus
> Seven Mary Three and Los
> Lobos. Mammoth Records is through WEA though, not
> BMG. Usually the larger
> labels are the better promoters, but of course that
> is not always the case.
> Promotions depend not just on the label, but also
> the producer, the
> management, and the artists themselves. But the
> main thing that most
> everything revolves around including music is always
> going to be this
> >> $$$. Isn't politics wonderful? TTFN... Sorry
> Peter, I meant to send
> this message to the list, not just one person.
>=20
> Michael
>=20
>=20
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Scott Poitras"
> <pete.poitras@the-spa.com>
> > To: <powderworks@cs.colorado.edu>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Powderworks] Capricornia promos on
> ebay
> >
> >
> > > Sigh.
> > >
> > > Funny how Liquid 8 is killing auctions. They
> certainly don't seem to be
> > > taking the time to promote. A bunch of us
> filled out their form to be
> > > volunteers to help hype the album/tour, and here
> the album is supposed
> to
> > be
> > > out in a week and we have heard NOTHING. Also,
> shows are being
> announced
> > > and on sale, and no contact either.
> > >
> > > And they freak and cancel auctions when the
> promos were already taken
> out
> > of
> > > circulation?!? I understand that's not
> necessarily the point of a
> promo,
> > > but then again, if they were being used at all,
> they wouldn't be on eBay
> > in
> > > the first place. I know, spoken as the guy who
> was the high bidder on
> the
> > > Golden Age single... :-( And as we see from
> Jon's message, cancelling
> > the
> > > auction has led to a giveaway, which isn't
> helping the promotion either.
> > >
> > > Anyways, I'll go back to my cave.
> > > Pete
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: powderworks-admin@cs.colorado.edu
> > > [mailto:powderworks-admin@cs.colorado.edu]On
> Behalf Of Helstad, Jonathan
> > > R APX
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 6:06 PM
> > > To: 'powderworks@cs.colorado.edu'
> > > Subject: [Powderworks] Capricornia promos on
> ebay
> > >
> > >
> > > Fellow Powderworkers:
> > > You might find the message below interesting.
> Liquid 8 has started
> killing
> > > auctions of Capricornia promos on ebay. Anyways,
> I'll be getting the
> promo
> > > tomorrow from this guy free-of-charge because he
> wasn't able to sell it
> on
> > > ebay! Cheers! Jon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:53 PM
> > > Subject: WARNING: eBay AUCTION REMOVED - VeRO
> PROGRAM
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We regret to inform you that your auction:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Midnight Oil "Capricornia" promo advance CD
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > has been ended at the request of Liquid 8
> Records, a member
> > > > of eBay's Verified Rights Owner (VeRO)
> Program, because
> > > > they filed a sworn statement that it offers a
> product or contains
> > > > material which violates their copyright,
> trademark or other
> > > > rights. In the interest of protecting all
> eBay users, we end
> > > > such auctions to avoid any association with
> potentially
> > > > infringing or unlawful items.
> > > >
> > > > We understand that sometimes mistakes can be
> made. If
> > > > you feel your auction was ended in error,
> contact the VeRO
> > > > Program Member directly by emailing them at
> kdooley@liquid8records.com.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, eBay is available to answer
> questions, but since only
> > > > the rights owner understands their products
> and policies, we
> > > > encourage you to contact them first. If we
> agree a mistake has
> > > > been made or the VeRO Program Member notifies
> us, we will
> > > > allow you to relist the item.
> > > >
> > > > We also understand that even if your item is
> infringing, you may
> > > > have been unaware of that fact, and may have
> listed the item with
> > > > the best of intentions. Unfortunately, even
> if this is so, you still
> > > > could face potential liability, so ending the
> auction is still
> > necessary.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All Bidders have been notified and any
> associated
> > > > fees have been credited to your account.
> > > >
> > > > **Keep in mind that listing of prohibited,
> questionable or infringing
> > > > items, or the re-listing of ended items
> without the approval of eBay,
> > > > can result in your suspension from eBay.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your cooperation.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Lynn (whyended@ebay.com)
>=20
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<DIV>Gabe,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for thinking outside-of-the-box on this issue. =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyone who's ever purchased used records or CD's (regardless of =
whether=20
it's on eBay or your local second-hand shop) has come across promo =
issues like=20
this. In fact, some of the best MO recordings are promo/demo=20
releases. This list has often discussed MO's "Green Disc", which =
is listed=20
as "Demonstration - Not For Sale", not to mention the "Blue Sky Mining =
Interview=20
Disc" and "Best of the B-Sides". I'm still looking for a "Diesel =
and Dust=20
Interview Disc". And let's not forget how these CD's get to =
the=20
resale sites, anyway - - the folks who first received them - - the =
record shops,=20
local rock critics, and radio stations - - who make their living =
off of the=20
recorded music industry.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sorry for the rant. Happy Valentines Day. Jeff</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dgluci@yahoo.com href=3D"mailto:gluci@yahoo.com">Gabriel =
Luci</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dmdevall1@nc.rr.com=20
href=3D"mailto:mdevall1@nc.rr.com">Michael Devall</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dpowderworks@cs.colorado.edu=20
=
href=3D"mailto:powderworks@cs.colorado.edu">powderworks@cs.colorado.edu</=
A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 14, =
2002 1:22=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Powderworks] =
Capricornia=20
promos on ebay</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>How about giving them away?<BR><BR>--- Michael Devall =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mdevall1@nc.rr.com">mdevall1@nc.rr.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> Just a reminder that in =
the=20
United States<BR>> promotional items such as<BR>> promo CDs =
cannot be=20
traded or sold legally. The<BR>> same thing goes for =
bootleg<BR>>=20
items. It has to do with this thing called<BR>> copyright=20
infringement. I<BR>> believe such actions are considered =
felony=20
offenses<BR>> under federal law, and<BR>> penalties can be =
severe if you=20
are caught which may<BR>> include prison time and<BR>> of course =
a=20
criminal record. THIS IS NO JOKE. <BR>> Always think=20
first.<BR>> As for music promotions, =
some BMG=20
labels suck<BR>> at promoting artists.<BR>> CMC International =
Records,=20
which is a lesser known<BR>> label located here in the<BR>>=20
Raleigh-Durham area, is a prime example. They have<BR>> such =
classic=20
rock<BR>> artists as Lynyrd Skynyrd, Styx, Tommy Shaw, =
Molly<BR>>=20
Hatchet, Ratt, Blue<BR>> Oyster Cult, Nazareth and many other =
artists of=20
such<BR>> stature. The only new<BR>> albums of these =
artists that=20
I've known promoted by<BR>> CMC International were<BR>> "Twenty" =
by=20
Lynyrd Skynyrd, "Heaven Forbid" by Blue<BR>> Oyster Cult and =
"Seven<BR>>=20
Deadly Zens" by Tommy Shaw. Such albums like "The<BR>> Silent =
Reign=20
Of Heroes"<BR>> by Molly Hatchet and "Brave New World" by Styx=20
which<BR>> I thought were pretty<BR>> good were never really=20
promoted. RCA Records and<BR>> Arista Records, which =
are<BR>> the=20
largest record labels through BMG, usually do<BR>> pretty good in=20
music<BR>> promotions. Our other record label here in =
the<BR>>=20
Raleigh-Durham area, Mammoth<BR>> Records located in Carrboro, is =
also a=20
very good<BR>> promoter. They have our<BR>> popular local =
band The=20
Squirrel Nut Zippers, plus<BR>> Seven Mary Three and Los<BR>>=20
Lobos. Mammoth Records is through WEA though, not<BR>> =
BMG. =20
Usually the larger<BR>> labels are the better promoters, but of =
course=20
that<BR>> is not always the case.<BR>> Promotions depend not =
just on the=20
label, but also<BR>> the producer, the<BR>> management, and the =
artists=20
themselves. But the<BR>> main thing that most<BR>> =
everything=20
revolves around including music is always<BR>> going to be =
this<BR>>=20
>> $$$. Isn't politics wonderful? TTFN... =20
Sorry<BR>> Peter, I meant to send<BR>> this message to the list, =
not=20
just one person.<BR>> <BR>> Michael<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
> -----=20
Original Message -----<BR>> > From: "Peter Scott =
Poitras"<BR>> <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:pete.poitras@the-spa.com">pete.poitras@the-spa.com</A>>=
<BR>>=20
> To: <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:powderworks@cs.colorado.edu">powderworks@cs.colorado.edu</=
A>><BR>>=20
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:07 PM<BR>> > Subject: =
RE:=20
[Powderworks] Capricornia promos on<BR>> ebay<BR>> ><BR>>=20
><BR>> > > Sigh.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Funny =
how=20
Liquid 8 is killing auctions. They<BR>> certainly don't seem =
to=20
be<BR>> > > taking the time to promote. A bunch of =
us<BR>>=20
filled out their form to be<BR>> > > volunteers to help hype =
the=20
album/tour, and here<BR>> the album is supposed<BR>> to<BR>> =
>=20
be<BR>> > > out in a week and we have heard NOTHING. =20
Also,<BR>> shows are being<BR>> announced<BR>> > > and =
on sale,=20
and no contact either.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > And they =
freak and=20
cancel auctions when the<BR>> promos were already taken<BR>> =
out<BR>>=20
> of<BR>> > > circulation?!? I understand that's =
not<BR>>=20
necessarily the point of a<BR>> promo,<BR>> > > but then =
again, if=20
they were being used at all,<BR>> they wouldn't be on eBay<BR>> =
>=20
in<BR>> > > the first place. I know, spoken as the guy=20
who<BR>> was the high bidder on<BR>> the<BR>> > > =
Golden Age=20
single... :-( And as we see from<BR>> Jon's message,=20
cancelling<BR>> > the<BR>> > > auction has led to a =
giveaway,=20
which isn't<BR>> helping the promotion either.<BR>> > =
><BR>>=20
> > Anyways, I'll go back to my cave.<BR>> > > =
Pete<BR>>=20
> ><BR>> > > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > =
> From:=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:powderworks-admin@cs.colorado.edu">powderworks-admin@cs.co=
lorado.edu</A><BR>>=20
> > [mailto:powderworks-admin@cs.colorado.edu]On<BR>> Behalf =
Of=20
Helstad, Jonathan<BR>> > > R APX<BR>> > > Sent: =
Tuesday,=20
February 12, 2002 6:06 PM<BR>> > > To: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:'powderworks@cs.colorado.edu'">'powderworks@cs.colorado.ed=
u'</A><BR>>=20
> > Subject: [Powderworks] Capricornia promos on<BR>> =
ebay<BR>>=20
> ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Fellow =
Powderworkers:<BR>>=20
> > You might find the message below interesting.<BR>> Liquid =
8 has=20
started<BR>> killing<BR>> > > auctions of Capricornia =
promos on=20
ebay. Anyways,<BR>> I'll be getting the<BR>> promo<BR>> > =
>=20
tomorrow from this guy free-of-charge because he<BR>> wasn't able =
to sell=20
it<BR>> on<BR>> > > ebay! Cheers! Jon<BR>> > =
><BR>>=20
> ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > =
><BR>> >=20
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:53 PM<BR>> > > =
Subject:=20
WARNING: eBay AUCTION REMOVED - VeRO<BR>> PROGRAM<BR>> > =
><BR>>=20
> ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > =
> >=20
We regret to inform you that your auction:<BR>> > > =
><BR>> >=20
> ><BR>> > > > Midnight Oil "Capricornia" =
promo=20
advance CD<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > =
>=20
><BR>> > > > has been ended at the request of Liquid =
8<BR>>=20
Records, a member<BR>> > > > of eBay's Verified Rights =
Owner=20
(VeRO)<BR>> Program, because<BR>> > > > they filed a =
sworn=20
statement that it offers a<BR>> product or contains<BR>> > =
> >=20
material which violates their copyright,<BR>> trademark or =
other<BR>>=20
> > > rights. In the interest of protecting all<BR>> =
eBay=20
users, we end<BR>> > > > such auctions to avoid any =
association=20
with<BR>> potentially<BR>> > > > infringing or unlawful =
items.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > We understand =
that=20
sometimes mistakes can be<BR>> made. If<BR>> > > =
> you=20
feel your auction was ended in error,<BR>> contact the VeRO<BR>> =
>=20
> > Program Member directly by emailing them at<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:kdooley@liquid8records.com">kdooley@liquid8records.com</A>=
.<BR>>=20
> > ><BR>> > > > Of course, eBay is available to=20
answer<BR>> questions, but since only<BR>> > > > the =
rights=20
owner understands their products<BR>> and policies, we<BR>> > =
>=20
> encourage you to contact them first. If we<BR>> agree a =
mistake=20
has<BR>> > > > been made or the VeRO Program Member=20
notifies<BR>> us, we will<BR>> > > > allow you to =
relist the=20
item.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > We also understand =
that=20
even if your item is<BR>> infringing, you may<BR>> > > =
> have=20
been unaware of that fact, and may have<BR>> listed the item =
with<BR>>=20
> > > the best of intentions. Unfortunately, =
even<BR>>=20
if this is so, you still<BR>> > > > could face potential=20
liability, so ending the<BR>> auction is still<BR>> >=20
necessary.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > =
>=20
><BR>> > > > All Bidders have been notified =
and=20
any<BR>> associated<BR>> > > > fees have been credited =
to your=20
account.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > **Keep in mind =
that=20
listing of prohibited,<BR>> questionable or infringing<BR>> > =
>=20
> items, or the re-listing of ended items<BR>> without the =
approval of=20
eBay,<BR>> > > > can result in your suspension from =
eBay.<BR>>=20
> > ><BR>> > > > Thank you for your =
cooperation.<BR>>=20
> > ><BR>> > > > Regards,<BR>> > > > =
Lynn (<A=20
href=3D"mailto:whyended@ebay.com">whyended@ebay.com</A>)<BR>> =
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