[Powderworks] Re:New lead singers
Andrew Wait
await@coombs.anu.edu.au
Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:32:22 +1000 (EST)
i can't believe that no one has mentioned that great australian act, the
Little River Band. For mine, Glenn Shorrock or Johnny Farnham, I just
don't care. no other band could do it like LRB, regardless of the singer.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Stephen Scott wrote:
> Hi there,
> I agree with what Dave is saying. I was just using Genesis & Van Halen as examples. My
> point was that Genesis were an awful lot more popular with their replacement singer,
> which in my opinion is unfortunate as Peter Gabriel was a better singer/performer. As for
> Van Halen. I don't think any of their incarnations were really any good. The only 2 songs
> I liked were from the Hagar era, but my point was they were still selling millions even
> with a new voice. As for Dale Ryder from Boom Crash Opera taking over in INXS, I think
> he would have been a close second choice. I don't know what he is doing now, but I am
> sure he would have jumped at the chance. Boom Crash Opera have 5 albums proper,
> which are all highly recommended if you like INXS. Email me off list if you want any
> more details.
> Another group with multiple lead singers is Iron Maiden. Again, I am not a fan of them,
> but they were at their most popular with their second singer Bruce Dickenson. I think
> their first singer, Robert Di'annio (not sure about the name), died....though I'm not sure
> why. Then after Dickenson left, they didn't do so well with a 3rd singer. Then a la Van
> Halen, Brucie boy came back, and now they are (inexplicably) back in the UK top ten.
> Anyway....here's hoping the Oils never have to make a decision like that. The only
> people that could take over from Peter would be either Rob or Jim. Let's just hope that
> the job is never EVER given to Phil Collins or Sting. They might as well let Boyzone or
> N*sync do it.
> See youse
>
> Stephen
> "This is a mad house"
>
> Although I find these topics of INXS-Oils comparisons & new lead singers to
> be kinda silly, I gotta take Stephen & Dale to task on a few points:
>
> Look at Genesis. Peter Gabriel was the first singer. They replaced him with
> Phil Collins,
> and the rest is history.
>
>
> The rest is history? I suppose Genesis were unknown before? While I'm not a
> huge fan of art-rock, I know many who are & its widely agreed by them as
> well as critics that Genesis' most enduring work is from the Peter Gabriel
> period (The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway probably being the masterpiece).
> Its also worth mentioning that Collins fit in so well because he had been
> their drummer from the start.
> Yes, they sold more post-Gabriel, but being a fellow Oils fan I'm sure you'd
> agree a lasting message & influence on popular music is much more important.
>
> Look at Van Halen. After David Lee Roth fell foul of Mr. Van Halen, they
> brought in
> Sammy Hagar and went massive.
>
>
> Went massive? Again, dude, they were already huge. & again, both fans &
> critics agree that the best material is from the David Lee Roth era- & its
> the stuff the average joe remembers today. Go ahead, hum a VH tune (ok, if
> you're like me you consider this an unpleasant experiment, but if proves my
> point).
>
> Can anyone out there give us any more examples of groups changing
> singers....
>
>
> Well, the Small Faces changed practically the whole band at once, & had to
> become the Faces 'cause they weren't so short anymore.
> And the Yardbirds (after changing lead guitarists twice) also let go of Rolf
> (or he moved on himself, whatever), hired Robert Plant to finish the
> contractual obligations, and morphed into Led Zeppelin. (Actually, going
> through three legendary guitarists is the real notable of the 'birds career,
> since all were the key to their sound.)
> Finally, the Drifters had 3 excellent vocalists- Clyde McPhatter, Johnny
> Moore, & Ben E. King (& briefly others)- and unlike Genesis & the examples I
> cited, didn't have to completely reinvent themselves with each one, which is
> most impressive since the Drifters were all about vocals. Then again, the
> Motown sound was kinda cookie cutter-ish (& yes, VH's sure was too, but they
> did invent the cutter pre-Hagar). In fact, I could probably list 5-10 Motown
> groups, male & female that also had two or more lead singers, but you catch
> my drift.
>
> Now, Dale said that the terrible, treakly, weak AOR "artists" Sting or
> *chortle* Phil Collins could replace PG. Well, sure you did make it clear it
> was just your opinion, but I just couldn't let that one slide by. Sting
> because he's also an environmentalist? Collins *snort* because....? Uh,
> because...? Gabriel at least has a comparable energy/persona/uniqueness, but
> even there, I think you must be thinking of Gabriel in his prime (ie, with
> Genesis).
>
> Anyway, Peter Garrett ain't going anywhere, & in any case the Oils without
> him would be like an Italian restaurant without pasta (I guess for the girls
> that makes Rob the veal).
>
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