[Powderworks] Re: (powd) Bin there, done that?
Talisyn@aol.com
Talisyn@aol.com
Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:36:01 EDT
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<< , I think I have the right to hate those people among them who have no
respect for human life. >>
But what about the ones among them who do. The ones who may be being (as a
nation) targeted most unfairly right now.
There's been media reports about a *supposed* rental vehicle in the Boston
airport associated with 5 *arab* men who just *happened* to leave the flight
manuals in the car? Hello? This REEKS of being a frame/set-up.
All flight manuals are in standard English.
The media report was that all the manuals found in the car were in Arabic.
Huh???? Even if argument is made that they were translated and written in
Arabic, just exactly how is that going to help them fly a plane with all
English controls/gauges/ labels? I smell fish, rats, and I would be very
afraid to be an Arab today....it's unfair to be so singularly targeting the
Arab nation, especially with the more current and frightening information
about what's gone down (to the tune of billions) of confiscated assets and
sanctions against Columbia/ACU by the US in the past few days. I
And why, with the phone calls from people on those planes, was there no
information released about what the (highjackers) looked/talked like? You
know that that Barbara Olson was as sharp as a tack and surely would have
mentioned that in the two phone calls made to her husband from the flight.
She described everything else in such detail...No, something is being
surpressed here.
So....( pure speculation here)
What if it really is a Colombian retaliation, but Afghanistan/Bin Laden is
conveniently made the scapegoat so *someone* has an excuse to take care of
that pesty Middle East, and demand it's Oil as reparation.
Here's excerpts from those Colombian drug/terrorist articles I posted
earlier. There's a ton of more information out there that I think is being
ignored (on purpose????)
>From the Columbia/Ochoa article:
<<<Ochoa is the best known of three dozen Colombians extradited to the United
Sates since then. Some feared that resuming extradition would prompt a new
backlash by Colombia's drug traffickers. Scores of judges, police officers,
journalists and even a leading presidential candidate fell to Escobar's reign
of
terror. But this time around, retaliation has not occurred - yet...... The
baby-faced youngest son of a prominent Medellin horse-breeding clan, Ochoa
joined Escobar's drug empire along with two older brothers. When they were
released from jail in 1996, the three promised to never get involved in the
drug business again. The U.S. extradition request, based largely on bugged
conversations between Ochoa and another Colombian suspect, says Ochoa broke
his pledge. It claims he contributed his know-how to the exporting ring and
helped provide cocaine, airplanes and smuggling routes. >>>>
>From the Columbia/ACU article
<<< The United States in its annual report on terrorism in 2000 said the AUC,
an umbrella group, was supported by economic elites, drug traffickers and
local communities.Its estimated 8,000 paramilitary fighters, including former
military and insurgent personnel, were adequately equipped and armed and
reportedly
paid a monthly salary, the report said.AUC operations varied from
assassinating suspected insurgent supporters to engaging guerrilla combat
units, including the FARC, it said.The
report cited Colombian police figures saying the group conducted 804
assassinations, 203 kidnappings, and 75 massacres with 507 victims during the
first 10 months of 2000. But AUC militias are also blamed for many of the
40,000 killings of civilians in Colombia in the last decade.The AUC said in
its web site announcement that it wanted ''political recognition'' from the
Colombian government and the international community and demanded a seat in
peace talks between the government and
Marxist FARC rebels that have been going on for 2-1/2 years>>>
<3 Tali
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<BR>respect for human life. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#808080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><B> >>
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<BR>But what about the ones among them who do. The ones who may be being (as a
<BR>nation) targeted most unfairly right now.
<BR>
<BR>There's been media reports about a *supposed* rental vehicle in the Boston
<BR>airport associated with 5 *arab* men who just *happened* to leave the flight
<BR>manuals in the car? Hello? This REEKS of being a frame/set-up.
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<BR>A</FONT><FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">ll flight manuals</FONT><FONT COLOR="#808080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> are in standard English.
<BR>The media report was that </FONT><FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">all</FONT><FONT COLOR="#808080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> the manuals </FONT><FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">found in the car were in Arabic</FONT><FONT COLOR="#808080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">.
<BR>Huh???? Even if argument is made that they were translated and written in
<BR>Arabic, just exactly how is that going to help them fly a plane with all
<BR>English controls/gauges/ labels? I smell fish, rats, and I would be very
<BR>afraid to be an Arab today....it's unfair to be so singularly targeting the
<BR>Arab nation, especially with the more current and frightening information
<BR>about what's gone down (to the tune of billions) of confiscated assets and
<BR>sanctions against Columbia/ACU by the US in the past few days. I
<BR>
<BR>And why, with the phone calls from people on those planes, was there no
<BR>information released about what the (highjackers) looked/talked like? You
<BR>know that that Barbara Olson was as sharp as a tack and surely would have
<BR>mentioned that in the </FONT><FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">two</FONT><FONT COLOR="#808080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> phone calls made to her husband from the flight.
<BR>She described everything else in such detail...No, something is being
<BR>surpressed here.
<BR>
<BR>So....( pure speculation here)
<BR>What if it really is a Colombian retaliation, but Afghanistan/Bin Laden is
<BR>conveniently made the scapegoat so *someone* has an excuse to take care of
<BR>that pesty Middle East, and demand it's Oil as reparation.
<BR>
<BR>Here's excerpts from those Colombian drug/terrorist articles I posted
<BR>earlier. There's a ton of more information out there that I think is being
<BR>ignored (on purpose????)
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>From the Columbia/Ochoa article:
<BR>
<BR><<<Ochoa is the best known of three dozen Colombians extradited to the United
<BR>Sates since then. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Some feared that resuming extradition would prompt a new
<BR>backlash by Colombia's drug traffickers. Scores of judges, police officers,
<BR>journalists and even a leading presidential candidate fell to Escobar's reign
<BR>of
<BR>terror.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#808080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">But this time around, retaliation has not occurred - yet.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#808080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">..... The
<BR>baby-faced youngest son of a prominent Medellin horse-breeding clan, Ochoa
<BR>joined Escobar's drug empire along with two older brothers. When they were
<BR>released from jail in 1996, the three promised to never get involved in the
<BR>drug business again. The U.S. extradition request, based largely on bugged
<BR>conversations between Ochoa and another Colombian suspect, says Ochoa broke
<BR>his pledge.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> It claims he contributed his know-how to the exporting ring and
<BR>helped provide cocaine, </FONT><FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">airplanes </FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">and smuggling routes. >>>> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#808080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
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<BR>From the Columbia/ACU article
<BR><<< The United States in its annual report on terrorism in 2000 said </FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">the AUC,
<BR>an umbrella group, was supported by economic elites, drug traffickers and
<BR>local communities.Its estimated 8,000 paramilitary fighters, including former
<BR>military and insurgent personnel, were adequately equipped and armed and
<BR>reportedly
<BR>paid a monthly salary,</FONT><FONT COLOR="#808080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> the report said.AUC operations varied from
<BR>assassinating suspected insurgent supporters to engaging guerrilla combat
<BR>units, including the FARC, it said.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">The
<BR>report cited Colombian police figures saying the group conducted</FONT><FONT COLOR="#ff0000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> 804
<BR>assassinations, 203 kidnappings, and 75 massacres with 507 victims during the
<BR>first 10 months of 2000. But AUC militias are also blamed for many of the
<BR>40,000</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> killings of civilians in Colombia in the last decade.The AUC said in
<BR>its web site announcement that it wanted ''political recognition'</FONT><FONT COLOR="#808080" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">' from the
<BR>Colombian government and the international community and demanded a seat in
<BR>peace talks between the government and
<BR>Marxist FARC rebels that have been going on for 2-1/2 years>>></FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
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