Midnight Oil

Subject: RE: [powderworks] Re: Sat. Night at the Capitol "truck mixes"
From: Michael Blackwood
Date: 23/10/2010, 10:50 pm
To: Oils Powderworks

Thanks, Adrian!  That is exactly the information I was hoping to find.  It sounds a bit obsessive (OK, a LOT obsessive), but to me live variations of songs are essentially official alternate versions, kind of like remixes.  That is why the edited version of Powderworks from the Capitol Theatre gig's broadcast would be a "cheat" (someone altered it from how it was performed), but the shorter "truck mix" version of Run By Night is a "real" alternate take on the song.  I'm in the middle of an Oils rarities kick, so I was really interested in finding out where exactly the RBN truck mix fit into my overwrought self-imposed classification system...
 
My thanks to everybody on the list who responded to my inquiries!
 
Mike

To: powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au
From: hooperadrianr@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:52:02 +0000
Subject: [powderworks] Re: Sat. Night at the Capitol "truck mixes"

I have the bootleg of the Capitol Theatre show.

The drum solo in Powderworks that appears on Scream In Blue is from the Capitol gig. Who knows why it was edited from the DVD. Time constraints? Lack of good vision? Percieved lack of DVD audience interest? My other thought is the decision is more about the momentum of the show. The DVD is edited like Powderworks is the last song of the night, which it isn't; Used & Abused closed the night. As for the instrumental being cut out on the DVD, this is an intentional edit as the bootleg indicates they played the song in it's intirety. This is however the way, as far as I can remember, the footage has always been shown. I remember mates videoing this and the other shown clips (No Time For Games, Armistice Day, Don't Wanna Be the One, Brave Faces and Lucky Country) off Rage back in the day. We had always suspected for reasons already mentioned here by others that Powderworks had been edited as opposed to a truncated version actually being played.

The Truck Mix of Run By Night is from the same night and is unedited. Run By Night was played after Burnie and before Stand In Line. I would suggest they just cut that verse to shorten the song and keep up the momentum and urgency (in the same way they always cut the repeat of the intro motif/riff just before the "he puts a name to every breath" breakdown in Is It Now? when played live).

The Truck Mix of Bondi is also from the same concert. It has the same mistake in the instrumental where they loose their way (Rotsey and Moginie end early while Rob and Giffo play another round).

The Truck Mix of Somebody's Trying... is also from the same concert.

This may be common knowledge, but the three live tracks that surfaced on the Beds are Burning live single (from the Scream in Blue release), Written in the Heart, No Reaction and Used & Abused, are all also from the same Capitol gig.

Now can anyone tell me where on the DVD I find the hidden version of US Forces? When the liner notes of the DVD said the US Forces clip was directed and edited from footage off the cutting room floor, I assumed it was a misprint and they meant the heavily edited cut of Burnie as I couldn't find US Forces on the damn thing.

Adrian

--- In powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au, Michael Blackwood <blackwood_michael@...> wrote:
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> To: seeker42@...; powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au
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> From: powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au [powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Chris [seeker42@...]
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> The truck mixes seem to be audio captured on other nights in the week - it appears that they were also filmed, as evidenced by the secret US Forces clip that can be found on the disc.
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> Wierd... the SiB version of Powderworks is MUCH longer than the version broadcast as part of Saturday Night at the Capitol, but they're BOTH edited? I can't see any logic in that, so I wonder what happened.
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> Subject: Re: [powderworks] Sat. Night at the Capitol "truck mixes"
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> I don't know, but it looks to me on the DVD like Powderworks has a chunk taken out of it, basically the "getting in for one free bite" verse. And the Scream in Blue album is also missing that verse, so I am almost certain that Powderworks on Scream in Blue and Powderworks on the Best of Both Worlds DVD are the same performance.
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> The thing is, when I listed to Scream in Blue Live 18 years ago, I thought that the band just left that verse out for some reason, but now that I watch the DVD, there definitely seems to be an abrupt cut. I bet that they played that verse when they performed it, but somehow it got cut out of the recording. Another reason for this hypothesis is that when you watch the concert on the DVD, Peter's shirt is on and then suddenly he is running around with it off, and the discontinuity of that really makes it seem like a part got cut out. Does anyone who has seen this agree, because I've wondering about this.
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> What exactly are the "Truck Mixes" that are available on the Saturday Night at the Capitol portion of the Best of Both Worlds DVD? Were they just un-televised recordings of the live performance at the show, or are they remixed somehow? For example, the "truck mix" of Run By Night is under 3 minutes long, and omits the second verse of the song when compared to the 1978 album version. Is that actually how it was played on the night of Nov 27, 1982, or was it edited after the fact? Does anyone have the bootleg of the full show (not just the broadcast portion) so they can compare? Likewise, the broadcast version of Powderworks from that gig is significantly shortened from the album version; is that how it was played live that night, or was it edited for TV? Because I thought the live version of Powderworks found on Scream In Blue came from that gig, but it's definitely the full-length song.
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