Beth Curran <bcurran@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
If you hit "reply to all", the reply will go twice to the person who
posted the message, because the Yahoo groups email program is too stupid
to realize that the poster's email addy is also in the Pworks
distribution list. Annoying!
----- Original Message -----
From: ashokachowta@optusnet.com.au
To: powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [powderworks] Your opinion of Pete's approval of the
Pulp Mill
Is it my email account or is it something else, why do I keep getting
2 copies of the same email by a powderworker?
> Beth Curran <bcurran@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Boy, do I agree with this article, especially because I'm not much
> younger than PG. There's significant validity in working for
> incremental change. It doesn't mean someone has sold out, only that
> they've decided to try another tactic. Working within the system
always
> means compromise, which isn't necessarily bad if it's the way to get
> long-term results.
>
> And so we have the young PG working aggressively for immediate major
> change in the morning of his life, and patiently pushing for
smaller,
> and, hopefully, inexorable advances in the afternoon. So often when
we
> have all our lives before us, we want immediate results, yet later
we
> change to a longer view, knowing full well that we may only see
small
> advances during our own lives. Yikes, I sound old! (Shut up, Heidi)
-
> Beth
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: TimC
> To: ashokachowta@optusnet.com.au ; powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:12 AM
> Subject: RE: [powderworks] Your opinion of Pete's approval of the
Pulp
> Mill
>
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>
> Since you bring this up, I read an article on Crikey.com.au that I
> wanted to share with the list but was foiled by it's untimely demise
;-)
>
>
>
> Mungo: Garrett abandons utopia for results
> Mungo MacCallum writes:
>
> You have to feel sorry for Peter Garrett. He's had a pretty rough
time
> since he joined the Labor Party more that three years ago, and it
all
> came to a head last week.
>
> When Garrett, on behalf of the ALP, signed off on the government's
> decision to approve the Tamar Valley pulp mill, the Greens turned
> carnivorous. From being a trusted environmental warrior, Garrett had
> become a sell out and a cipher, the shadow minister who didn't cast
a
> shadow. As everyone had predicted, the Labor Party had chewed him up
and
> spat him out. From being an idealist and a man of principle, Garrett
was
> now just another politician.
>
> Well yes, he was, and this is precisely the point. After spending
his
> youth banging his impressive head against various brick walls in
pursuit
> of noble causes, Garrett has now grown up. In 2003 he became
convinced
> that actually achieving change for the better, imperfect though it
might
> be, was more useful than spending the rest of his life yearning for
an
> unattainable green utopia. Whether consciously or not he accepted
the
> truth of Gough Whitlam's dictum: the impotent are always pure. He
may
> even have turned it around: the pure are always impotent.
>
> From the start he knew politics would involve compromise, that he
> would no longer be the free spirit his fans had idolised at Midnight
Oil
> concerts. He would have to balance the interests of the many against
the
> dreams of a few. But he made the choice, and to his great credit he
has
> stuck with it.
>
> Moreover, he has seen how dire the consequences of uncompromising
> idealism can be. In 2004 Labor under Mark Latham went down the deep
> green path in Tasmania. Seduced by the Greens Leader Bob Brown,
Latham
> was persuaded that a policy of quarantining large areas of forests
from
> loggers would be vote winner both in the state and across the
mainland.
> Garrett embraced the move and campaigned vigorously in the short
time
> remaining before polling day.
>
> The result is now history: not only did Labor lose the seats of Bass
> and Braddon in Tasmania, but the party forfeited any chance of
picking
> up mainland forestry seats like Eden-Monaro and Gippsland. The
policy
> did not lose the election for Labor, although the contrast between
> Latham sneaking away from timber workers through an underground car
park
> while Howard was cheered by them in a mass rally was one of the
enduring
> images of the campaign, and one which would have swung many waverers
to
> the government in the final week. But there is no doubt that the net
> cost was at least two, probably three seats. Those on the left now
> excoriating Garrett's pragmatism might care to remember this if in
2007
> Howard scrapes back by a similar margin.
>
> There is no doubt that the man himself feels uncomfortable with the
> pulp mill decision, or that he is hurt by the attacks from former
> friends and allies. But he has held the line and will continue to do
so.
> And he can take more than marginal comfort from the fact that
Labor's
> primary vote continues to run at 47 percent, while the Greens are at
> just 7.6. As a result there is every possibility that in two month's
> time Peter Garrett, Minister for the Environment, will be signing
the
> ratification documents for the Kyoto treaty and preparing to
implement a
> radical and far-reaching program on sustainable energy, pollution
> control and climate change, while Bob Brown, Greens leader in the
> senate, will still be leading futile demonstrations against a pulp
mill.
>
>
> The purists will no doubt dismiss the political rise of Peter
Garrett
> as his 30 pieces of silver, the wages of treachery. Those of us more
> interested in results than rhetoric will applaud it as a hard-earned
> laurel wreath, a reward for courage and vision, but above all for
common
> sense.
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> From: powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au
> [mailto:powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of
> ashokachowta@optusnet.com.au
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2007 12:55 PM
> To: powderworks@yahoogroups.com.au
> Subject: [powderworks] Your opinion of Pete's approval of the Pulp
> Mill
>
>
>
> I want to know something, what's your opinion on Peter Garrett
giving
> the approval for the Pulp Mill to go ahead, even though he says as
long
> it meets the environmental standards or something like that?, I know
> he's losing fans, one fellow what's his money back from 11 Oils
albums
> be bought, there are people including environmentalists in his
> electorate who are planning on voting him out, the Labor Party are
> thinking of chnaging his portfolio. So what do you reckon, u think
he
> has sold out or not etc etc?
>
> Personally I'm not jumping to any conclusions, I don't think we've
> heard the full story of Peter's reasons. All will be revealed when
if
> the Labor Party wins
>
> Oh and another thing and this makes me smirk now when I think about
it
> but I thought one of the reasons that Powderworks was closed might
be
> because of my and others occasional swearing.
>
> Ashoka Chowta Graphic Designs
> Myrtle Bank SA, 5064
> Australia
> Mobile: 0404 217 028
> Tele: 8379 8756
>
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Ashoka Chowta Graphic Designs
Myrtle Bank SA, 5064
Australia
Mobile: 0404 217 028
Tele: 8379 8756
