[Powderworks] Continuing NMOC Forgotten Years nonsense...
Julian Shaw
Julian Shaw" <julian@jlshaw.co.uk
Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:30:55 +0100
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It's good to hear that a number of Powderworkers have balanced opinions. =
I really can't see why someone who expresses their valid emotions of the =
impact of Sep 11th should start all this ranting! It really makes me sad =
to see that despite what the Oils say in the song we don't have some =
common ground here. Shouldn't that common ground include:
a respect for human rights?
a healthy questioning of authority?
a love of "freedom" (whatever that word means)?
a pursuit of justice?
So why is it that a number of you take the stance that if you condemn =
what happened on 9/11 you also have to back up what the US government is =
doing around the world? Or on the other side of the coin if you think =
that the US has a dodgy foreign policy do you mock the legitimacy of =
calling 9/11 an atrocity?=20
If people on this list had a bit of respect for peoples feelings (all =
humans around the world are essentially the same US, Afghan, Chilean) =
and tried to find some common view point I'm sure it would be clear =
that:
1) what happened on 9/11 was an atrocity commited against innocent =
civilians and those that carried it out should be brought to justice.
2) the US has had a very dodgy foreign policy at times (which country =
hasn't!?!) which has led to similar (although not on the same scale) =
atrocities to be carried out. You would have to have a "short memory" =
not to find an example - Vietnam, Chile, etc. This does not mean that =
the US is the biggest satan of the world - it just means it isn't =
perfect!
Now what is there to argue about? Both talk about an infringement on =
human rights, personal/political freedom and justice? Please explain to =
me why you can only adhere to one of these viewpoints? I don't get it. =
So I will continue to remember Sept 11th as long as I shall live and =
shall forever be moved by the images. I will also never stop rallying =
against stupidity when I see it.
As a ps how many people are on the political powdies list now? Can't we =
get these debates moving over there quicker? Maybe I'm as guilty as =
anyone for not doing so...
Julian Lewis Shaw
Man, Myth or Monkey? Find out:
http://www.jlshaw.co.uk
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's good to hear that a number of =
Powderworkers=20
have balanced opinions. I really can't see why someone who expresses =
their valid=20
emotions of the impact of Sep 11th should start all this ranting! It =
really=20
makes me sad to see that despite what the Oils say in the song we don't=20
have some common ground here. Shouldn't that common ground=20
include:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a respect for human =
rights?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a healthy questioning of =
authority?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a love of "freedom" (whatever that word =
means)?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a pursuit of justice?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So why is it that a number of you take =
the stance=20
that if you condemn what happened on 9/11 you also have to back up =
what the=20
US government is doing around the world? Or on the other side of the =
coin if you=20
think that the US has a dodgy foreign policy do you mock the legitimacy =
of=20
calling 9/11 an atrocity? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If people on this list had a bit of =
respect for=20
peoples feelings (all humans around the world are essentially the same =
US,=20
Afghan, Chilean) and tried to find some common view point I'm sure it =
would be=20
clear that:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1) what happened on 9/11 was an =
atrocity commited=20
against innocent civilians and those that carried it out should be =
brought to=20
justice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2) the US has had a very dodgy foreign =
policy at=20
times (which country hasn't!?!) which has led to similar (although not =
on the=20
same scale) atrocities to be carried out. You would have to have a =
"short=20
memory" not to find an example - Vietnam, Chile, etc. This does not mean =
that=20
the US is the biggest satan of the world - it just means it isn't=20
perfect!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now what is there to argue about? Both =
talk about=20
an infringement on human rights, personal/political freedom and justice? =
Please=20
explain to me why you can only adhere to one of these viewpoints? I =
don't get=20
it. So I will continue to remember Sept 11th as long as I shall live and =
shall=20
forever be moved by the images. I will also never stop rallying against=20
stupidity when I see it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As a ps how many people are on =
the political=20
powdies list now? Can't we get these debates moving over there quicker? =
Maybe=20
I'm as guilty as anyone for not doing so...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Julian Lewis Shaw<BR>Man, Myth or =
Monkey? Find=20
out:<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.jlshaw.co.uk">http://www.jlshaw.co.uk</A></FONT></DIV>=
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