[Powderworks] re: music and patriotism
Tribe Goddard
daznsam@webone.com.au
Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:49:56 +1000
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G'day all,
Interesting idea ya have there Mike. Most Australians are proud of the =
multi-cultural diversity of our society so I thought I'd have a look at =
the 'stats' and see how we compared to the USA. The huge difference in =
the size of the populations will obviously have a bearing on how much of =
an impact each culture has and how much more secular each 'other nation' =
culture might be so your comment may have some truth to it, but the =
stats make for some interesting reading anyway. I've also only looked =
at foreign born not descendants of foreign born, if some one else wants =
to look at those it'd be excellent.
Basically the stats say that the total foreign born residents in the US =
is 10.4% of the entire population. The total number of foreign born =
residents in Austraia is 22% (most of those are on our Olympic and =
Commonwealth Games teams ;-)). Does that aid your theory with regard =
Sharon's email or just add an interesting complexity to the equation ;-)
They are sourced from the US Census Burea http://www.census.gov/ and the =
Australian Bureau of Statistics http://www.abs.gov.au/. Sorry there is =
more Australian content replicated below but all the US stuff is in PDF =
format rather than HTML so a bit harder to replicate. I've put links =
were appropriate.
USA
In 2000, 28.4 million foreign born resided in the United States, =
representing 10.4 percent of the total U.S. population. Among the =
foreign born, 51.0 percent were born in Latin America3, 25.5 percent =
were born in Asia, 15.3 percent were born in Europe, and the remaining =
8.1 percent were born in other regions of the world.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2000pubs/p20-534.pdf
Australia
Birthplace=20
For the 2001 Census, 13,629,685 people (73%) stated they were =
Australian-born. This compares with 13,227,996 people (75%) in 1996 and =
12,719,726 (76%) in 1991. The number of people born overseas was =
4,105,444 (22%) compared with 3,907,993 (22%) in 1996 and 3,688,385 =
(22%) in 1991.=20
Of those born overseas, the three main countries of birth were United =
Kingdom 1,036,245 (5.5%), New Zealand 355,765 (1.9%), and Italy 218,718 =
(1.2%). The three main countries of birth in 1996 were United Kingdom =
1,072,562 (6.0%), New Zealand 291,388 (1.6%), and Italy 238,246 (1.3%) =
and in 1991 the three main countries of birth were United Kingdom =
1,107,337 (6.6%), New Zealand 264,123 (1.6%), and Italy 253,417 (1.5%).
The State or Territory in Australia with the highest percentage of =
people who were born overseas was Western Australia with 27%.
Table 1. Selected Characteristics for Australia in 2001 Male Female =
Total=20
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=20
Total persons(a) 9,362,021 9,610,329 18,972,350=20
Aged 15 years and over(a) 7,343,459 7,694,880 15,038,339=20
Aged 65 years and over(a) 1,050,848 1,337,715 2,388,563=20
Aboriginal 180,147 186,282 366,429=20
Torres Strait Islander 13,111 12,935 26,046=20
Both Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander(b) 8,730 8,798 17,528=20
Total Indigenous Persons 201,988 208,015 410,003=20
Born in Australia 6,709,482 6,920,203 13,629,685=20
Born overseas (c) 2,031,089 2,074,355 4,105,444=20
Speaks English only 7,410,456 7,603,509 15,013,965=20
Speaks other language(d) 1,398,737 1,455,114 2,853,851=20
Indigenous Persons aged 18 years and over 106,051 116,310 222,361=20
Australian citizen 8,158,643 8,401,131 16,559,774=20
Australian citizen aged 18 years and over 5,981,199 6,330,261 =
12,311,460=20
Enumerated in private dwelling(a) 9,042,222 9,321,088 18,363,310=20
Enumerated elsewhere(a)(e) 319,799 289,241 609,040=20
Overseas visitors 95,475 107,626 203,101=20
(a) These categories include overseas visitors.
(b) Applicable to persons who are of both Aboriginal and Torres =
Strait Islander origin.
(c) Includes birthplaces 'inadequately described', 'at sea', and =
'not elsewhere classified'.
(d) Includes 'non-verbal so described' and 'inadequately =
described'.
(e) Includes 'Non-Private dwellings', Migratory and Off-shore.=20
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Cheers
Dazza
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From: Bawolski@aol.com=20
To: mironmizrahi@yahoo.com ; powderworks@cs.colorado.edu=20
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Powderworks] re: music and patriotism
In a message dated 8/14/2002 1:51:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, =
mironmizrahi@yahoo.com writes:
the fabric of society seems more disjointed and with more
gaps (I have a theory why, but it is a separate discussion). as a
result you really can't say that if you have characteristics A, B
and C then you are American. there are many ways to define American
and they are all equally valid. hence, I can't think of anyone who I
would call American, or who calls himself one.
I think one of the main reasons for this is because we are still =
largely a=20
country of immigrants. I live in Los Angeles, and believe it or not =
Spanish
is the most spoken language here. There is a huge population of =
Mexicans
in southern California who are trying to eke out a living because it =
has become
so difficult for them to do so in their native land. There are also =
many African-
Americans, Phillipinos, Japanese, Chinese, Samoans, Indians and many =
other ethnic groups in L. A. Other large cities in the U. S. have =
similarly large and diverse ethnic groups. What we lack in a truly =
"American" culture we more than make up
for in all the wonderful things that these various cultures contribute =
to our=20
society.
Mike
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>G'day all,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Interesting idea ya have there =
Mike. Most=20
Australians are proud of the multi-cultural diversity of =
our society so I=20
thought I'd have a look at the 'stats' and see how we compared to the =
USA. =20
The huge difference in the size of the populations will obviously have=20
a bearing on how much of an impact each culture has and how much =
more=20
secular each 'other nation' culture might be so your comment may have =
some truth=20
to it, but the stats make for some interesting reading anyway. =
I've also=20
only looked at foreign born not descendants of foreign born, if some one =
else=20
wants to look at those it'd be excellent.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Basically the stats say that the total =
foreign born=20
residents in the US is 10.4% of the entire population. The =
total=20
number of foreign born residents in Austraia is 22% (most of those are =
on our=20
Olympic and Commonwealth Games teams ;-)). Does that aid your =
theory with=20
regard Sharon's email or just add an interesting complexity to the =
equation=20
;-)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They are sourced from the US Census =
Burea <A=20
href=3D"http://www.census.gov/">http://www.census.gov/</A> and the =
Australian=20
Bureau of Statistics <A=20
href=3D"http://www.abs.gov.au/">http://www.abs.gov.au/</A>. Sorry =
there is=20
more Australian content replicated below but all the US stuff is in PDF =
format=20
rather than HTML so a bit harder to replicate. I've put links were =
appropriate.</FONT></DIV>
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color=3D#008000></FONT></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#008000>USA</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#008000></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>In 2000, 28.4 million foreign born resided in the =
United=20
States, representing 10.4 percent of the total U.S. population. Among =
the=20
foreign born, 51.0 percent were born in Latin America</FONT>3, 25.5 =
percent were=20
born in Asia, 15.3 percent were born in Europe, and the remaining 8.1 =
percent=20
were born in other regions of the world.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG><FONT color=3D#008000><A=20
href=3D"http://www.census.gov/prod/2000pubs/p20-534.pdf">http://www.censu=
s.gov/prod/2000pubs/p20-534.pdf</A></FONT></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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color=3D#008000><STRONG><U>Australia</U></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG><FONT color=3D#008000>Birthplace=20
</FONT></STRONG><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>For the 2001 Census, 13,629,685 people <B><FONT=20
face=3DArial>(73%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial> stated they were =
Australian-born.=20
This compares with 13,227,996 people </FONT><B><FONT=20
face=3DArial>(75%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial> in 1996 and 12,719,726=20
</FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial>(76%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial> in =
1991. The number=20
of people born overseas was 4,105,444 </FONT><B><FONT=20
face=3DArial>(22%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial> compared with 3,907,993 =
</FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial>(22%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial> in 1996 =
and=20
3,688,385 </FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial>(22%)</FONT></B><FONT =
face=3DArial> in 1991.=20
</FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=3DArial>Of those born overseas, the three main =
countries=20
of birth were United Kingdom 1,036,245 </FONT><B><FONT=20
face=3DArial>(5.5%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial>, New Zealand 355,765=20
</FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial>(1.9%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial>, and =
Italy 218,718=20
</FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial>(1.2%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial>. The =
three main=20
countries of birth in 1996 were United Kingdom 1,072,562 </FONT><B><FONT =
face=3DArial>(6.0%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial>, New Zealand 291,388=20
</FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial>(1.6%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial>, and =
Italy 238,246=20
</FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial>(1.3%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial> and in =
1991 the=20
three main countries of birth were United Kingdom 1,107,337 =
</FONT><B><FONT=20
face=3DArial>(6.6%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial>, New Zealand 264,123=20
</FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial>(1.6%)</FONT></B><FONT face=3DArial>, and =
Italy 253,417=20
</FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial>(1.5%)</FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial>.</FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=3DArial>The State or Territory =
in Australia=20
with the highest percentage of people who were born overseas was Western =
Australia with </FONT><B><FONT face=3DArial>27%</FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial>.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial>Table 1.<FONT color=3D#008000> Selected=20
Characteristics for Australia in 2001</FONT></FONT></STRONG>=20
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 width=3D"100%" border=3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><IMG height=3D1 alt=3D""=20
src=3D"http://www.abs.gov.au/icons/ecblank.gif" width=3D1 =
border=3D0></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><B><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Male</FONT></B></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><B><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Female</FONT></B></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><B><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Total</FONT></B></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"100%" colSpan=3D4>
<HR align=3Dleft width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D7>
</TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Total =
persons(a)</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>9,362,021</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>9,610,329</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>18,972,350</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aged 15 years and=20
over(a)</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>7,343,459</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>7,694,880</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>15,038,339</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Aged 65 years and=20
over(a)</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>1,050,848</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>1,337,715</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>2,388,563</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Aboriginal</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>180,147</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>186,282</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>366,429</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Torres Strait=20
Islander</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>13,111</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>12,935</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>26,046</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Both Aboriginal and =
Torres=20
Strait Islander(b)</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>8,730</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>8,798</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>17,528</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Total Indigenous=20
Persons</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>201,988</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>208,015</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>410,003</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Born in =
Australia</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>6,709,482</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>6,920,203</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>13,629,685</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Born overseas =
(c)</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>2,031,089</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>2,074,355</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>4,105,444</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Speaks English=20
only</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>7,410,456</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>7,603,509</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>15,013,965</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Speaks other=20
language(d)</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>1,398,737</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>1,455,114</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>2,853,851</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Indigenous Persons =
aged 18=20
years and over</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>106,051</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>116,310</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>222,361</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Australian=20
citizen</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>8,158,643</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>8,401,131</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>16,559,774</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Australian citizen =
aged 18=20
years and over</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>5,981,199</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>6,330,261</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>12,311,460</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Enumerated in =
private=20
dwelling(a)</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>9,042,222</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>9,321,088</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>18,363,310</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Enumerated=20
elsewhere(a)(e)</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>319,799</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>289,241</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>609,040</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"52%"><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Overseas =
visitors</FONT></B></TD>
<TD width=3D"17%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>95,475</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"16%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>107,626</FONT></DIV></TD>
<TD width=3D"14%">
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>203,101</FONT></DIV></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"100%" colSpan=3D4><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><BR></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>(a) These categories include overseas=20
visitors.</FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(b) Applicable to =
persons who=20
are of both Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander =
origin.</FONT><BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>(c) Includes birthplaces 'inadequately =
described', 'at=20
sea', and 'not elsewhere classified'.</FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>(d) Includes 'non-verbal so described' and 'inadequately=20
described'.</FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(e) Includes =
'Non-Private=20
dwellings', Migratory and Off-shore.</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR vAlign=3Dtop>
<TD width=3D"100%" colSpan=3D4>
<DIV align=3Dright>
<HR align=3Dright width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D7>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dazza</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DBawolski@aol.com =
href=3D"mailto:Bawolski@aol.com">Bawolski@aol.com</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dmironmizrahi@yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:mironmizrahi@yahoo.com">mironmizrahi@yahoo.com</A> ; <A =
title=3Dpowderworks@cs.colorado.edu=20
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href=3D"mailto:powderworks@cs.colorado.edu">powderworks@cs.colorado.edu</=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 15, 2002 =
3:27=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Powderworks] re: =
music and=20
patriotism</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
size=3D2>In a message=20
dated 8/14/2002 1:51:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <A=20
href=3D"mailto:mironmizrahi@yahoo.com">mironmizrahi@yahoo.com</A>=20
writes:<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">the fabric of society seems more disjointed and with=20
more<BR>gaps (I have a theory why, but it is a separate discussion). =
as=20
a<BR>result you really can't say that if you have characteristics A, =
B<BR>and C then you are American. there are many ways to define=20
American<BR>and they are all equally valid. hence, I can't think of =
anyone=20
who I<BR>would call American, or who calls himself=20
one.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I think one of the main reasons for this =
is=20
because we are still largely a <BR>country of immigrants. I live =
in Los=20
Angeles, and believe it or not Spanish<BR>is the most spoken language=20
here. There is a huge population of Mexicans<BR>in southern =
California=20
who are trying to eke out a living because it has become<BR>so =
difficult for=20
them to do so in their native land. There are also many=20
African-<BR>Americans, Phillipinos, Japanese, Chinese, Samoans, =
Indians and=20
many other ethnic groups in L. A. Other large cities in the U. =
S. have=20
similarly large and diverse ethnic groups. What we lack in a =
truly=20
"American" culture we more than make up<BR>for in all the wonderful =
things=20
that these various cultures contribute to our=20
<BR>society.<BR><BR>Mike<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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