Midnight Oil

[Powderworks] Nazis and Taliban

Beth Curran bcurran@columbus.rr.com
Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:40:27 -0400


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Mike wrote:
If the United States went after the Taliban before 9/11 we would have
taken
a whole boatload of crap for that.  Not to say that we shouldn't have,
but 
either way there are people ready to jump in and criticize.  Look at
what
Saddam Hussein is doing in Iraq.  If the U.S. decides to attack there 
we will surely be chastised by most of the world community, but if we 
don't and Hussein starts using his weapons of mass destruction, then
who will be blamed for not stopping him? 

***********************
 
With respect to conflict situations in general, I see hope overall in
the progression of empowerment of women worldwide.  It's a savage irony
that women in societies which oppress them are often the chief
instructors of the young in the mechanisms of their particular brand of
oppression.  When half the members of a society are prevented from
contributing, progress can't be expected.  Civil disobedience will
replace weapons-based conflict in the end, I am sure of it, as
oppressive regimes begin to implode.  We may not see it in my time - but
it's coming. 
 
But this Saddam thing is something I can't make up my own mind about.  I
don't know whether to believe the CIA when they make the claim of bio
and nuke weapons development in Saddam's hands, but let's say for the
sake of argument that this is true - or at least, that enough evidence
is there to convince a majority of nations that it's true.  Is political
assassination a morally justifiable action when it would prevent a
weapon of mass destruction from being used?  If so, where do you draw
the line? - Beth
 
 
 

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If the </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font size=3D2 =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> went after
the Taliban before 9/11 we would have taken<br>
<span class=3DGramE>a</span> whole boatload of crap for that.&nbsp; Not =
to say
that we shouldn't have, but <br>
either way there are people ready to jump in and criticize.&nbsp; Look =
at what<br>
Saddam Hussein is doing in =
</span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>.&nbsp; If
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> decides to
attack there <br>
we will surely be chastised by most of the world community, but if we =
<br>
don't and Hussein starts using his weapons of mass destruction, then<br>
who will be blamed for not stopping him? <br>
<br>
<font color=3Dnavy><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>With respect to conflict situations =
in
general, I see hope overall in the progression of empowerment of women
worldwide. <span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>It&#8217;s a =
savage
irony that women in societies which oppress them are often the chief
instructors of the young in the mechanisms of their particular brand of
oppression.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>When half the =
members
of a society are prevented from contributing, progress can&#8217;t be =
expected.
<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>Civil disobedience will =
replace weapons-based
conflict in the end, I am sure of it, as oppressive regimes begin to =
implode.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>We may not see it in my time =
&#8211; but
<span class=3DGramE>it&#8217;s</span> coming. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>But this Saddam thing is something =
I can&#8217;t
make up my own mind about.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
</span>I don&#8217;t
know whether to believe the CIA when they make the claim of bio and nuke
weapons development in Saddam&#8217;s hands, but let&#8217;s say for the =
sake
of argument that this is true &#8211; or at least, that enough evidence =
is
there to convince a majority of nations that it&#8217;s true.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Is political assassination a =
morally
justifiable action when it would prevent a weapon of mass destruction =
from
being used?<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>If so, where =
do you
draw the line? &#8211; Beth<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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